General Recruiting Talk

[Heavystarch]

Since there really isn't anywhere to go for just random comments/desires, this thread can be considered the new home.

[Heavystarch]

And of course if I am going to start the thread, I have something to say . Why not go after Jamarcus Ellis and Jordan Crawford? Both have a lot of potential, they hate their situation, and would likely get the one year transfer rule dropped. I don't know the rules on contacting other teams players, but you have to think that at least some of the current roster will be on someone else's next year.

[BoKnowsBall]

If they transfer within the Big10 then they will have to pay their own way so I dont see that happening. For this class- I really hope that we do not get either Nunn or Pomlee- nothing against them but I just want the classes to be pretty balanced and when you are bringing in 5 one year and would only be able to bring in 2 the next. I would rather have it as 4 and 3. Now that Bruiser committed I think that the staff will go after a guard and another forward. I want the class to be either Jenkins or Taylor at the guard spot and either Prosser or Wilson at the forward.

We will need to replace both Landry and Krabbenhoft as forwards and that is why I see us taking two forwards in this class. There will be only 4 guards on scholarship the year that they come in but two of them will be seniors.

[Heavystarch]

I forgot about the Big Ten rule - ala Shariff Chambliss, which was a pretty big oversight

It does look like we are still toying with the idea of a 5th for 2008, and I agree that it would be a poor decision. What really sucks is when you compare our interests for 08 to what we could have in 09 and 10, where we have legitimate chances at landing studs. I hope we chill out on the 5 man recruiting classes, its not like we are a midmajor or Bruce Weber.

I hope we stay away from Jenkins and pursue Taylor or Williams. I want another guy who can at least somewhat handle the ball, jenkins seems to be a less adept Bohannon (at handling anyway). Obivously the last spot we need to keep for Wilson, and if we fill up our spots with Wilson still undecided I would be ultra pissed.

[Heavystarch]

Jarmusz's recent minutes, imo, mean that the transfer rumors can probably be put to rest. He played well enough yesterday to give me hope that he will become a solid contributor for the next 3+ years. Let's hope he gets that outside shot working

[komacki]

Here's a random speculation. If Jamil Wilson does end up coming to UW (god willing) and then decides to leave after his sophomore or junior years he'll leave Bo in a bit of a pickle. It would mean that there would be five scholarships open if it happened either of those years.

Ironically, if he's a one-and-done the Badgers are in better shape. (I did a monster version of Heavystarch's schoarship chart today with commits, prospects, and depth charts ... it took a while and I need to do something to make it worth the effort. So bear with me.) It would leave Bo with three open schollies in 2010 as opposed to the five that would it would open up in '11 or '12. Bo is already going after forwards (Harrison Barnes) for the 2010 season, so Wilson's replacement would already be on the way. Center looks to be the other target (Evan Anderson), and the extra schollie could be used on a point guard.

Should Bo have 5 open schollies I have to assume he'd try to get a JC or lower-division transfer to use the rest of Wilson's. Someone that could come in right away and play that also had only two or three years of eligibility left. Does Flowers have any more brothers?

Of course I'd rather have Wilson stay for as long as possible, and staying for all four years obviously works out the best scholarships-wise. And I don't think that he'll only spend one year in college. Without a great outside game he's too short to head to the NBA that quickly.

Random enough?

[BoKnowsBall]

Originally Posted by komacki

Here's a random speculation. If Jamil Wilson does end up coming to UW (god willing) and then decides to leave after his sophomore or junior years he'll leave Bo in a bit of a pickle. It would mean that there would be five scholarships open if it happened either of those years.

Ironically, if he's a one-and-done the Badgers are in better shape. (I did a monster version of Heavystarch's schoarship chart today with commits, prospects, and depth charts ... it took a while and I need to do something to make it worth the effort. So bear with me.) It would leave Bo with three open schollies in 2010 as opposed to the five that would it would open up in '11 or '12. Bo is already going after forwards (Harrison Barnes) for the 2010 season, so Wilson's replacement would already be on the way. Center looks to be the other target (Evan Anderson), and the extra schollie could be used on a shooting guard.

Should Bo have 5 open schollies I have to assume he'd try to get a JC or lower-division transfer to use the rest of Wilson's. Someone that could come in right away and play that also had only two or three years of eligibility left. Does Flowers have any more brothers?

Of course I'd rather have Wilson stay for as long as possible, and staying for all four years obviously works out the best scholarships-wise. And I don't think that he'll only spend one year in college. Without a great outside game he's too short to head to the NBA that quickly.

Random enough?

1 - Im still hoping that we land him but Im not getting my hopes up
2 - Because the Big10 does not allow for oversigning if he was a one and done we would not be able to use the scholarship on anybody in '10 unless they were not signed anywhere by the end of their senior season (by the time that he would sign with an agent and be off scholarship). This is why
it took an extra year to use a scholarship for Devin leaving. You can get them to verbal to you but they wont be able to sign with you until after that player has lost his eligiblity and I dont know if anyone would wait out on whether or not someone is going pro or not if they had other options (Im assuming all the good players would).

[Heavystarch]

The whole waiting game has been self imposed by Jamil himself - if he truly hasn't decided by this time next year he might have a less than desirable plate of schools to choose from. I think for those reasons Jamil may have to let a school know where he intends to go before then, otherwise things could get real messy.

[komacki]

"2 - Because the Big10 does not allow for oversigning if he was a one and done we would not be able to use the scholarship on anybody in '10 unless they were not signed anywhere by the end of their senior season " - BoKnowsBall

Thanks for bringing that up, I kind of left it out. It should have been included in part three. Add to that part that Bo could go with someone like Flowers' brother should Wilson leave after his freshman year. That or he could have someone in his back pocket like Wilson or Bruesewitz that wasn't receiving a lot of attention until Bo plucks him out of obscurity. He's good at that, even though in this scenario it would be very, very late in the game.

Thanks for the catch. That's why you shouldn't be posting very very late at night.

[Bernini]

With the INTENSITY that we're still recruiting players for 2009, my theory is we still intend to add another scholarship player for that class.

One possibility I haven't heard mentioned yet, is that if Gavinski is supposedly so dedicated to the program, as we've heard; maybe he'll willingly sacrifice his scholarship for their benefit. Taylor Rochestie from Washington State is an example of a player who gave up his schollie so the program could sign a recruit they wanted, Marcus Capers. And he wasn't nearly as highly touted as Jamil Wilson, Royce White, Rodney Williams, etc.

[komacki]

One of the guys over on Sportsline has the theory that the competition Jarmusz will have next year with Robert Wilson and Ryan Evans will make him decide that there won't be a lot of PT for him with those two and Diamond Taylor, Bruesewitz, and possibly Jamil Wilson coming in '09 and he'll transfer by the time the semester break rolls around.

He also thinks that RWilson and Evans will get more playing time than Jarmusz next year. He's not very high on Jarmusz in general.

I don't necessarily agree, but it's food for thought.

[Heavystarch]

When Jarmusz decided not to redshirt that was a very popular theory indeed. When he began receiving playing time it kind of died down, but there are many that I have talked to that believe this may be true.

I actually heard before the season even started that he wanted to see if he would get valuable minutes here. If not, he planned to transfer to UWGB. People at scout ran me off the forum with that statement, but I still think it could happen. Take it FWIW

[Bernini]

Originally Posted by Heavystarch

When Jarmusz decided not to redshirt that was a very popular theory indeed. When he began receiving playing time it kind of died down, but there are many that I have talked to that believe this may be true.

I actually heard before the season even started that he wanted to see if he would get valuable minutes here. If not, he planned to transfer to UWGB. People at scout ran me off the forum with that statement, but I still think it could happen. Take it FWIW

That's absurd. You should never show your face here again after posting that theory. Just kidding......

A lot of the members at Badger Nation tend to participate in group-think and are pretty domineering.

Jarmusz is actually in great position to get meaningful minutes next year. Bo places more of an emphasis on experience than 99 percent of coaches. Tim got valuable experience last year because of UW's dearth of g/f depth. Now he'll have a built in advantage over true frosh like Wilson and Evans. I still don't get what Evans has done to elicit excitement from the poster at sportsline other than being believed in by Bo as indicated by the offer. But 12 other players on the Badgers' roster, including Jarmusz, will have been offered by Bo. It's all relative.

Also, the Badgers unlikely being privy to Jarmusz' plan erodes that theory. They are recruiting like they know another scholarship will be freed if necessary.