'10 WI SG Vander Blue (Marquette Verbal) - Page 18

Bernini · #**256** (**permalink**) 10-18-2009, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by TroyD92

Committed to Marquette.

Good luck Van ill definitely still root for you.

Now from out perspective this hurts more then just a little the depth at guard has gotten even worse now. Im not liking how things are shaking up even one bit.

Bo has to start recruiting, you can give me all the BS about how he doesnt need the most talented players to win, but he does need talent and right now we have 0 talent at guard coming in for the next few years. Gasser is nice, but anyway you slice it he was a late offer due to moronic decision making.

Whose moronic decision? Diamond's? If that's what you mean, Bo can't be held responsible for that event. Nothing occurred previously that made it foreseeable. And subsequent to the indiscretion, Bo handled it accordingly by canning the kid. Besides, even if Taylor doesn't pee on the opportunity we gave him, Gasser would still be in the fold due to the Vander decommittment.

Speaking of which, I expected this as mentioned about a month ago. And I'll reiterate, thanks to the information provided by BW4Life, I'm endorsing moving in on DeMarcus Phillips to substitute for Vander. Actually, in the short term, he'd be a better option than Blue, because of his age/maturity level. We'd need one of the two '10 newcomers to be ready to man the backup point guard role. Long term Blue would have been the better option, but if we could bridge the gap with a strong option at pg from the '11 or '12 class, there wouldn't be any real harm.

TroyD92 · #**257** (**permalink**) 10-18-2009, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Bernini

Whose moronic decision? Diamond's? If that's what you mean, Bo can't be held responsible for that event. Nothing occurred previously that made it foreseeable. And subsequent to the indiscretion, Bo handled it accordingly by canning the kid. Besides, even if Taylor doesn't pee on the opportunity we gave him, Gasser would still be in the fold due to the Vander decommittment.

Speaking of which, I expected this as mentioned about a month ago. And I'll reiterate, thanks to the information provided by BW4Life, I'm endorsing moving in on DeMarcus Phillips to substitute for Vander. Actually, in the short term, he'd be a better option than Blue, because of his age/maturity level. We'd need one of the two '10 newcomers to be ready to man the backup point guard role. Long term Blue would have been the better option, but if we could bridge the gap with a strong option at pg from the '11 or '12 class, there wouldn't be any real harm.

I was speaking on Diamonds decision making not at Bo, and I would also like DeMarcus Phillips to get a look. Im 99% sure he'll be better then anyone we could get this late.

Bernini · #**258** (**permalink**) 10-18-2009, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by TroyD92

I was speaking on Diamonds decision making not at Bo, and I would also like DeMarcus Phillips to get a look. Im 99% sure he'll be better then anyone we could get this late.

I get what you're saying now. The way you worded the sentence previous to the "moronic decision making remark" appeared to, at first glance, be criticizing Bo. Then the moronic decision making remark would have been more support of your criticism. But I guess you were just making a call to action.

I agree that Bo really needs to get to work because the void of a 3rd ball handler needs to be filled, but I think if you're skeptical of Gasser then you'll be of Vander's replacement also. They'll both be slow plays because it's too late to jump into the fray for a top recruit, so the victory will have to be more scouting than recruiting. That will have to be good enough, and at least we'll have some quantity to have two shots at a viable option at backup point guard the players' first season in Madison.

cyismydog · #**259** (**permalink**) 10-18-2009, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Bernini

Whose moronic decision? Diamond's? If that's what you mean, Bo can't be held responsible for that event. Nothing occurred previously that made it foreseeable. And subsequent to the indiscretion, Bo handled it accordingly by canning the kid. Besides, even if Taylor doesn't pee on the opportunity we gave him, Gasser would still be in the fold due to the Vander decommittment.

Speaking of which, I expected this as mentioned about a month ago. And I'll reiterate, thanks to the information provided by BW4Life, I'm endorsing moving in on DeMarcus Phillips to substitute for Vander. Actually, in the short term, he'd be a better option than Blue, because of his age/maturity level. We'd need one of the two '10 newcomers to be ready to man the backup point guard role. Long term Blue would have been the better option, but if we could bridge the gap with a strong option at pg from the '11 or '12 class, there wouldn't be any real harm.

Just an FYI on Phillips, but he's not going to be a badger.

Bernini · #**260** (**permalink**) 10-18-2009, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by cyismydog

Just an FYI on Phillips, but he's not going to be a badger.

Care to expound on that statement, Cy? If not, I have enough leeway to delude myself into believing it won't be true.

cyismydog · #**261** (**permalink**) 10-18-2009, 08:40 PM

Sorry, can't extrapolate.

Jcwisco · #**262** (**permalink**) 10-19-2009, 12:15 AM

Hands down the worst loss Wisconsin has had in football or basketball sad day for UW and serious questions about Bo going forward!

Its one thing to say this doesnt affect the team much, it probably wont. We will see the same team we have been seeing for the last few years the problem is every Big Ten team is improving and were stuck in neutral.......

TroyD92 · #**263** (**permalink**) 10-19-2009, 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Jcwisco

Hands down the worst loss Wisconsin has had in football or basketball sad day for UW and serious questions about Bo going forward!

Its one thing to say this doesnt affect the team much, it probably wont. We will see the same team we have been seeing for the last few years the problem is every Big Ten team is improving and were stuck in neutral.......

Any way you slice it this loss hurts so much.

1. Losing another Memorial kid to MU, and another in JL probably ending up there not good considering its right in our backyard.
2.A plan B is needed to compliment a plan C player.
3.Lack of depth at guard is scary if anyone goes down we are in serious trouble after this year.
4.The continuing perception that Wisconsin is a slow tempo that doesnt favor athletic players.
5.The chances of loosing JP now have gone up.

I hate to be like this, but the whole out with one in with the next mentality doesnt apply to basketball teams who have 0 depth at guard, and honestly not enough talent to compete at a national level. Tough pill to swallow maybe, but the last 4 months in the Wisconsin basketball world have been cloudy.

BooWade4life · #**264** (**permalink**) 10-19-2009, 01:15 AM

In terms of Phillips, I have merely been advocating for the outside chance that somehow the Badger coaching staff gives him a look.
Unfortunately I would agree with CY that the chance of Phillips becoming a Badger is around 0%, I merely was wishful thinking.... I apologize if I lead anyone astray by dropping his name into the conversation.

There are obviously a number of factors working against us in terms of Phillips.
1. He is a Juco player and I could be wrong, but I do not think our coaching staff has any real ties to the JuCo ranks.
2. He played with Stay in the Game and is heavily connected to the Milwaukee AAU scene... I think it is more than obvious that we do not have good relationships in that circle either.
3. He was never really targeted by UW to begin with, even in high school.

There are obviously other reasons why we would not go after him, but the fact remains that we are woefully thin at guard over the next two years and have one remaining scholarship. Additionally, we are extremely late in the recruiting stages of any prospect and therefore may have to resort to unexpected or unfamiliar tactics, aka go after a JuCo player...

Hence, why I brought Phillips up to begin with... but alas it will probably never come close to happening but if it were to happen we would be getting a player who I feel would be ready to not only immediately contribute but also be on of our better players... I personally felt that Phillips was better than current MU freshman Dwight Buycks and rt now he is all the rage down at MU...
When faced with adversity teams sometimes need to think outside the box and I really hope that this is one of the times that they actually do.

Jwill535 · #**265** (**permalink**) 10-19-2009, 07:30 AM

If you were a non qualifier out of high school, there is about a 99% chance you arent getting into UW. Secondly, outside of Wisconsin, most JUCOs dont have the required classes in their AS programs that would allow you to get into UW anyways. Unless you took Algebra and Geometry specifically to get into UW, you would be getting past admissions.

Kingballa12gt · #**266** (**permalink**) 10-19-2009, 10:09 PM

Ughhh huge loss. I can't believe he left us for Marquette but that's how it goes. We need to pick up someone else for '10 now but I really have no idea of anyone that's left.

As for JP, I highly doubt he was going to come to Wisconsin regardless but I can't explain everything he's said.

freshwater · #**267** (**permalink**) 10-20-2009, 04:02 PM

Looks like we have 5 African-American players (out of 15 total) on the roster for this season, and perhaps 4 the next. And one of them is Wquinton. Another is Evans, and I doubt he'll get any real minutes this year.

Is it racist of me to want more black players on the team? This season has all the makings of a 7th place (or worse?) B-10 finish and a trip to the NIT. If Bo can make the NCAA's again this year, I will be very impressed.

badgerbasketball33 · #**268** (**permalink**) 10-20-2009, 04:32 PM

If your implying black people are better at basketball then yeah. if u wish there were more black players so other black players would come here maybe. I'm sure nobody wants to get into this debate but it's sad that the subject even has to be brought up. Not taking a shot at you because they are real issues and everyones opinion is different

freshwater · #**269** (**permalink**) 10-20-2009, 05:19 PM

Let me put it a better way - we need some more athletic players. Regardless of their race.

TheFresher · #**270** (**permalink**) 10-20-2009, 05:20 PM

I'm the furthest thing from racist, but I'm pretty sure we can all admit that African-Americans (for the most part) have superior athleticism to white people. That's why you can't believe your eyes when you see a white running back in the NFL. The only white people that end up being star basketball players are the really tall ones and the ones like JJ Redick that can shoot 3s with ease.

It comes to the point with our basketball program that we just get out-classed athletically and you hate to say it, but it's because we have a bunch of slow white guys.