Official UW Season Thread ('08-09')

[komacki]

I liked what I saw out of the team, especially Nankivil. Also...

1. Can someone tell me if Krabby's shot still has that hitch in it? The video was kinda choppy once I got it to work at all, so I couldn't tell.
2. I like Taylor's defensive intensity, but if he doesn't lay off some he's going to get burned repeatedly once the Badgers start facing real competition. He got taken a couple times by Augustana's guards.
3. Wilson looked good and Jarmusz didn't do anything to impress. Jarmusz will still be ahead of Wilson to start the season most likely, but that will probably change before the year is over.
4. The freshmen blended very well with the upperclassmen. The only time there was a noticeable lack of flow on offense, or when things got very un-organized was when four freshmen and Jarmusz were in at the same time. They weren't all on the same page, as the 5 second call on the inbounds play showed.

[coyote_5]

Originally Posted by Bernini

I'll say this about Krabbe, if he can become much more efficient with his outside shot, he might qualify as a fringe NBA prospect. He has good size for a bench swingman in the NBA (6'7"), is a plus defender, can handle the basketball, and could rebound well for the position. All he would have to prove is that he could space an NBA defense instead of seeing defenders sag off him.

I don't see Krabbe as a plus or even serviceable defender on NBA calibur 3's.

[Bernini]

Originally Posted by coyote_5

I don't see Krabbe as a plus or even serviceable defender on NBA calibur 3's.

He might not be able to explode after all those foot injuries, but he can move his feet laterally fine. He anticipates well and plays with high effort....excellent qualities for a defender. His height and strength would be pluses for a bench swingman. Can you recall a college player who has really abused JK? Because I'm sure some of his opponents have gone onto play professionally or will in the future.

[cportbucky]

I'm pretty sure Joe spent time on both Beasley and Walker last season and held his own. Did he guard Damion James from Texas last season?

[TroyD92]

Originally Posted by cportbucky

I'm pretty sure Joe spent time on both Beasley and Walker last season and held his own. Did he guard Damion James from Texas last season?

Landry took James I believe...

[Bernini]

Originally Posted by cportbucky

I'm pretty sure Joe spent time on both Beasley and Walker last season and held his own. Did he guard Damion James from Texas last season?

Maybe some. I know he guarded A.J. Abrams down the stretch.

I have my own opinion of course, but in what order would people rank the non freshmen in terms of best pro prospects? Because we seem to have several on the borderline but no sure bets.

[TroyD92]

If Trevon puts it together I could see him in the late first round...Landry with continued improvement may be able to find a spot as a swingman on the bench somewhere...JBO as a sharpshooter off the bench..maybe Krabby...pure talent wise on our team I think Rob Wilson has the most "star" potential, maybe Trevon keyword is potential neither may ever live up to said expectacions.

[Jcwisco]

Jk has NBA potential based on his intensity, how he dives on the floor, a good rebounder high basketball IQ. What coach doesnt want that .He may not be the greatest athlete in the world, but being a great defender does not require jumping ability when I look at Shane Batteir, Ron Artest, Bruce Bowen Ect. None of them are great athletes but to a lesser extent JK posses all those same skills...The only way Marcus makes it is if this year he learns to put the ball on the floor without dribbling it off his foot. If he could do that with resonable effectiveness his ceiling would be much higher although he would have a tough time defending the perimeter I dont see him with great lateral quickness... Trevon maybe to small. He is not yet as good as Dee Brown was and Dee Brown rarley plays. That is the beauty of Bo Ryan as well as his demise he rarely ever has NBA players and yet he does nothing but win, until he reaches the Sweet 16 that is and loses to teams with NBA players on them. That said the perimeter players of this freshman class as well as some of the guys he is bringing in may change all that. P.s. Troy Can I join that start Curt Phillips club, anyone who thinks they can win with Sheer next year is sorley mistaken.

[TroyD92]

Originally Posted by Jcwisco

Jk has NBA potential based on his intensity, how he dives on the floor, a good rebounder high basketball IQ. What coach doesnt want that .He may not be the greatest athlete in the world, but being a great defender does not require jumping ability when I look at Shane Batteir, Ron Artest, Bruce Bowen Ect. None of them are great athletes but to a lesser extent JK posses all those same skills...The only way Marcus makes it is if this year he learns to put the ball on the floor without dribbling it off his foot. If he could do that with resonable effectiveness his ceiling would be much higher although he would have a tough time defending the perimeter I dont see him with great lateral quickness... Trevon maybe to small. He is not yet as good as Dee Brown was and Dee Brown rarley plays. That is the beauty of Bo Ryan as well as his demise he rarely ever has NBA players and yet he does nothing but win, until he reaches the Sweet 16 that is and loses to teams with NBA players on them. That said the perimeter players of this freshman class as well as some of the guys he is bringing in may change all that. P.s. Troy Can I join that start Curt Phillips club, anyone who thinks they can win with Sheer next year is sorley mistaken.

Trevon isnt too small Dee brown is too small for the NBA, not too mention his injury plagued career after he should of left his JR. year, Im very hopeful that Pop can put together those great flashes that we have often seen from him.

And of course you can join, im personally suprised Bern or Fresher hasnt joined yet...

[Bernini]

Originally Posted by Jcwisco

Jk has NBA potential based on his intensity, how he dives on the floor, a good rebounder high basketball IQ. What coach doesnt want that .He may not be the greatest athlete in the world, but being a great defender does not require jumping ability when I look at Shane Batteir, Ron Artest, Bruce Bowen Ect. None of them are great athletes but to a lesser extent JK posses all those same skills...The only way Marcus makes it is if this year he learns to put the ball on the floor without dribbling it off his foot. If he could do that with resonable effectiveness his ceiling would be much higher although he would have a tough time defending the perimeter I dont see him with great lateral quickness... Trevon maybe to small. He is not yet as good as Dee Brown was and Dee Brown rarley plays. That is the beauty of Bo Ryan as well as his demise he rarely ever has NBA players and yet he does nothing but win, until he reaches the Sweet 16 that is and loses to teams with NBA players on them. That said the perimeter players of this freshman class as well as some of the guys he is bringing in may change all that. P.s. Troy Can I join that start Curt Phillips club, anyone who thinks they can win with Sheer next year is sorley mistaken.

I pretty much agree with everything you said.

I want to expound on one of your points. Krabbenhoft's intensity, or I'll rephrase it as consistent desire, is essentially a translatable NBA skill. In the NBA it's paramount to able to dig down deep, but also not get too high or low, when you play 82 games and generally about every 2-3 nights. If one can't just observe that Krabbenhoft has consistent desire from watching his facial expression, it's also manifested in defensive ability and pace adjusted rebounding statistics. Both defense and rebounding are effort activities. Shooting, to different degrees, comes and goes.

Look no further than the Milwaukee Bucks to find a guy who played a similar role in college to JK, who's already thriving in the NBA. Luc Richard Mbah Moute was a stellar defender and rebounder at UCLA, but his pro prospects were somewhat overlooked because he was overshadowed by that teams stars and he wasn't an offensive juggernaut. If one watched LRMAM closely, you'll see that his facial expression basically never changes, like Joe's, but he's always active. And his offensive game has expanded after being asked to be a scoring threat because the NBA has more offensive talent.

Krabbe doesn't quite have LRMAM's athleticism, but some great case in points were already made about good defender's who are seemingly below average athletes for their position. And he's not unskilled. Ball-handling is historically tougher to develop than shooting. LRMAM could always handle the ball fairly well, as does Joe. He's improved his jumper via repetition.

[TheFresher]

Originally Posted by TroyD92

Trevon isnt too small Dee brown is too small for the NBA, not too mention his injury plagued career after he should of left his JR. year, Im very hopeful that Pop can put together those great flashes that we have often seen from him.

And of course you can join, im personally suprised Bern or Fresher hasnt joined yet...

well, you know my stance on CP.. so i guess i thought it was a given that i'm in the club

[Jcwisco]

For any one who's interested there is a great thread via buckyville to the gopherhole dealing with Coaches who get the most out of the Players they recruit. Your guess who tops the list. Im not sure how to post this but the adress is GopherHole.com - Part 3: Big Ten Recruiting This Decade-The Best & the Busts

All one line enjoy......

[coyote_5]

Originally Posted by Bernini

I want to expound on one of your points. Krabbenhoft's intensity, or I'll rephrase it as consistent desire, is essentially a translatable NBA skill. In the NBA it's paramount to able to dig down deep, but also not get too high or low, when you play 82 games and generally about every 2-3 nights. If one can't just observe that Krabbenhoft has consistent desire from watching his facial expression, it's also manifested in defensive ability and pace adjusted rebounding statistics. Both defense and rebounding are effort activities. Shooting, to different degrees, comes and goes.

There are many college players that have that type of intensity. The problem for the NBA is finding players that have the required athleticism to match. That is where Krabbe will fall short. He is not in the class of Artest, Battier, Bowen or LRMAM athletically, poor comparison IMO. I will concede though, I can't off the top of my head comeup with a player that has gone off for a big # against Joe. Point taken.

As far as Landry, he's a very nice player, but comeon. He is far too slow afoot to play the 3 in the Association. What skills does he possess that Tucker does not that would allow him to succeed where Alando as of yet really has not??

LOL, I'm probably not making a good first impression around here, but I am a big UW hoops fan although you might argue that given my first two posts! I just think you guys maybe are looking at some of these players through "red" colored glasses.

[Jcwisco]

Originally Posted by coyote_5

There are many college players that have that type of intensity. The problem for the NBA is finding players that have the required athleticism to match. That is where Krabbe will fall short. He is not in the class of Artest, Battier, Bowen or LRMAM athletically, poor comparison IMO. I will concede though, I can't off the top of my head comeup with a player that has gone off for a big # against Joe. Point taken.

As far as Landry, he's a very nice player, but comeon. He is far too slow afoot to play the 3 in the Association. What skills does he possess that Tucker does not that would allow him to succeed where Alando as of yet really has not??

LOL, I'm probably not making a good first impression around here, but I am a big UW hoops fan although you might argue that given my first two posts! I just think you guys maybe are looking at some of these players through "red" colored glasses.

Coyote, you should re read the original post again, only this time a bit slower, no redglasses here....."Jk posses same qualities to a lesser extent than Artest, Bowen ect. M landry would have a hard time defending perimeter does not have lateral quickness.... Krabbenhoff will play in the league if he can develop his shot, but most likeley will never be more than a role player off the bench.

[TroyD92]

Originally Posted by Jcwisco

Coyote, you should re read the original post again, only this time a bit slower, no redglasses here....."Jk posses same qualities to a lesser extent than Artest, Bowen ect. M landry would have a hard time defending perimeter does not have lateral quickness.... Krabbenhoff will play in the league if he can develop his shot, but most likeley will never be more than a role player off the bench.

Agreed, I didnt see anything that anyone has posted that is seen through redglasses, all I said is that if Pop can put together the flashes we have seen(K-state) that he can sneak his way into the first, Joe K can be a role player in the NBA with a dramatically improved jumper....I still disagree with ML if he can improve his perimeter abilitys, I think he could land on a developmental leauge team.