DWill DGreatest?

MattC87 · #1 (**permalink**) 01-23-2009, 11:06 AM

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I hope so. He appears to be in the DWill mold of the versatile WR. Looks like a perfect fit for our offense.

For Penn State's sake, I hope he actually does something useful at WR unlike Williams.

PSU42Fan · #2 (**permalink**) 01-23-2009, 11:50 AM

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For Penn State's sake, I hope he actually does something useful at WR unlike Williams.

You're absolutely right.

I mean the guy is only 4th all-time in career receptions while playing along #1 and #3 all-time (Butler, Norwood).

Gotta admit, that was one stupid post.

AustinScottistheone · #3 (**permalink**) 01-23-2009, 12:35 PM

Brilliant observation by a Michigan fan! 278 career offensive touches (rushes/receptions) for 2,393 yards and 22 career TDs while never being pigeonholed as a "WR", DWill was always used as an all-purpose threat. He wasn't Percy Harvin, but he did average over 11 yards per reception and 5.6 YPC. DWill is also top 5 all-time all-purpose yardage with over 4,000 yards. Face of the PSU program for 4 years as well, what a CRAPPY PSU career!

MattC87 · #4 (**permalink**) 01-23-2009, 01:11 PM

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You're absolutely right.

I mean the guy is only 4th all-time in career receptions while playing along #1 and #3 all-time (Butler, Norwood).

Whoop-dee-damn-do. It's not hard to put up a lot of catches when the offense force-feeds you the ball and you start as a freshman because everyone else graduates. Jason Avant has the third most receptions in Michigan history, and Steve Breaston is fifth. Clearly, they're top 5 receivers in UM history.

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Gotta admit, that was one stupid post.

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

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Brilliant observation by a Michigan fan! 278 career offensive touches (rushes/receptions) for 2,393 yards and 22 career TDs while never being pigeonholed as a "WR", DWill was always used as an all-purpose threat. He wasn't Percy Harvin, but he did average over 11 yards per reception and 5.6 YPC.

11 yards per catch sucks. It's not good at all. Decent tight ends average more than 11 ypc. One career 100 yard game (Temple, hold the phone!). Massive route-running knowledge of five routes. DAMN! GAMEBREAKER! 5.6 yards per carry for a WR isn't all that good. Percy Harvin averaged over 9 ypc this year. Jeremy Maclin had over 6.8 yards per carry. 5.6 for a WR is about average. 0 career receiving TDs in eight combined games against Michigan and Ohio State. Yup, sure is a stud!

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DWill is also top 5 all-time all-purpose yardage with over 4,000 yards. Face of the PSU program for 4 years as well, what a CRAPPY PSU career!

Steve Breaston had over 5,600 APY in his career. He must be a Michigan legend.

Any fool can get kickoff and punt return yardage. Williams has done nothing as a WR in his career. 9 career receiving touchdowns. What a stud.

MattC87 · #5 (**permalink**) 01-23-2009, 01:14 PM

Either way, this is Alex Kenney's thread, not Derrick Williams' thread. I'm not going to bother getting in an argument with people who think Derrick Williams was anything but a mediocre at best college player.

AustinScottistheone · #6 (**permalink**) 01-23-2009, 01:19 PM

I guess I don't understand your point, the hatred must be because DWill was the #1 recruit in the nation. He missed substantial time his freshmen year after breaking his arm against Michigan. 2,393 yards on 278 touches, 22 career TDs and over 4,000 APY is a fine career. And like I said, DWill was used all over while Norwood and Butler were always at WR; and have always been WRs and/or DBs their entire lives...DWill was a H.S. QB.

You can question DWill's numbers but just look at how bad Morelli was during games as a two year starter - and he has over 5,000 yards passing at PSU...numbers don't always tell the story. Also look at Deon Butler & Jordan Norwood's career reception & yardage totals, it isn't like it was DWill and nobody else.

MattC87 · #7 (**permalink**) 01-23-2009, 01:25 PM

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I guess I don't understand your point, the hatred must be because DWill was the #1 recruit in the nation.

Maybe. I expect more out of the #1 recruit in the country. Vince Young, Adrian Peterson, Ernie Sims, Percy Harvin (jury's still out on J. Clausen and T. Pryor) have all been studs.

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He missed substantial time his freshmen year after breaking his arm against Michigan. 2,393 yards on 278 touches, 22 career TDs and over 4,000 APY is a fine career. And like I said, DWill was used all over while Norwood and Butler were always at WR; and have always been WRs and/or DBs their entire lives...DWill was a H.S. QB.

So maybe he should have played DB? He was never that explosive for PSU as a receiver. He's fast, but never made huge 25-30+ yard plays. He only had 3 receptions of 25+ yards this year. That's ridiculously weak for a guy who could crack the low 4.3s at the Combine.

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You can question DWill's numbers but just look at how bad Morelli was during games as a two year starter - and he has over 5,000 yards passing at PSU...numbers don't always tell the story. Also look at Deon Butler & Jordan Norwood's career reception & yardage totals, it isn't like it was DWill and nobody else.

But here's my question, and you of all people (PSU fans) would be best equipped to answer this. How come Butler and Norwood were able to put up good numbers (including yards per catch, touchdowns, more yards) and Williams wasn't? You can't honestly say he's lived up to the hype of a #1 recruit.

FrankBooth · #8 (**permalink**) 01-23-2009, 02:03 PM

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Either way, this is Alex Kenney's thread, not Derrick Williams' thread. I'm not going to bother getting in an argument with people who think Derrick Williams was anything but a mediocre at best college player.

Bull! You came and provoked the argument with your ignorant and snotty remark. You should find something better to do with your time than being a jerk around here.

MattC87 · #9 (**permalink**) 01-23-2009, 02:32 PM

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Bull! You came and provoked the argument with your ignorant and snotty remark.

It's not ignorant. Derrick Williams has not lived up to the hype and has been nothing more than a mediocre college player.

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You should find something better to do with your time than being a jerk around here.

It's not being a jerk. It's bringing up a valid point.

PSU42Fan · #10 (**permalink**) 01-23-2009, 03:49 PM

I thought you were done arguing with us?

If you don't understand, it's not your fault. It wasn't Forrest Gump's fault, either.

MattC87 · #11 (**permalink**) 01-23-2009, 04:48 PM

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I thought you were done arguing with us?

If you don't understand, it's not your fault. It wasn't Forrest Gump's fault, either.

Did you come up with that all by yourself? Anyways, we're done with this.

Jake Gittes · #12 (**permalink**) 01-23-2009, 08:40 PM

B.J. Raji, Derek Williams were winners at Senior Bowl practices - SI.com - 2008 NFL Super Bowl

Senior Bowl 2009: Recapping the week's biggest winners in practice

By Tony Pauline, Special to SI.com, TFYDraft.com

Risers

Derek Williams/WR/Penn State: Williams was always thought of as a great athlete who showed flashes of excellence at receiver. He pulled all the pieces together this week and was just plain brilliant. His athletic skills translated into football dominance on just about every snap. He solidified himself as the draft's top senior receiver moving towards the combine and now grades out as a late first-round pick.

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First team All Big 10 this year at WR, led PSU to two Big Ten titles.

Very successful career at PSU.

wadc45 · #13 (**permalink**) 01-23-2009, 09:05 PM

Split off all the conversation about Williams...let's keep the other thread about the recruit...

MattC87 · #14 (**permalink**) 01-23-2009, 09:11 PM

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First team All Big 10 this year at WR

Basically given to him more as an ATH. I have a hard time believing the guy who finished 21st in the Big 10 in receiving yards was one of its two best WRs. Does anyone actually honestly believe that Williams had a better season as a WR than Arrelious Benn? Come on.

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led PSU to two Big Ten titles.

A team's third leading receiver is the guy who leads them to titles now? Um, alright. Forget those Michael Robinson and Daryl Clark characters...

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Very successful career at PSU.

By what measure?

PSU42Fan · #15 (**permalink**) 01-23-2009, 09:26 PM

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Basically given to him more as an ATH. I have a hard time believing the guy who finished 21st in the Big 10 in receiving yards was one of its two best WRs. Does anyone actually honestly believe that Williams had a better season as a WR than Arrelious Benn? Come on.

A team's third leading receiver is the guy who leads them to titles now? Um, alright. Forget those Michael Robinson and Daryl Clark characters...

By what measure?

I noticed you skipped the info about DWill and his draft stock.

Dude - just give it up. What the F are you thinking bringing this argument up on a PSU board?

Speaking of underacheiving, how's your program doing?