MSU-UM Flaming

[staterules]

Originally Posted by OSwho?

Fred is going to announce very soon, in fact I've heard he might even do it this Friday.

I'm still going with Michigan, which is what I've said all along.

You must be very proud of your recruits Ryan Mallet and Sam McGuffie for their trashing of MSU to Fred in an effort to get Fred to change his mind away from MSU. Gee, I wonder if those "2nd tier program" and "loser" quotes by those "Michigan Men" will ever appear on the wall of the Spartan's locker room? Speaking of "Michigan Men", did I read Mike ("I talk too much") Hart ripping on Jim Harbough as not being worthy of his respect because Jim dared to speak the truth about UM's keep 'em eligible approach to educating their gridders? Lots of brilliant statements flooding the papers and internet sites by these guys. Too bad there's no criticism of the blatant negative recruiting being used in pursuit of Fred Smith. I guess the two Texas boys think they know something about MSU that Fred doesn't. But they are "Michigan Men" though. Then again, would Mike Hart respect them for these comments?

[OSwho?]

Originally Posted by staterules

You must be very proud of your recruits Ryan Mallet and Sam McGuffie for their trashing of MSU to Fred in an effort to get Fred to change his mind away from MSU. Gee, I wonder if those "2nd tier program" and "loser" quotes by those "Michigan Men" will ever appear on the wall of the Spartan's locker room? Speaking of "Michigan Men", did I read Mike ("I talk too much") Hart ripping on Jim Harbough as not being worthy of his respect because Jim dared to speak the truth about UM's keep 'em eligible approach to educating their gridders? Lots of brilliant statements flooding the papers and internet sites by these guys. Too bad there's no criticism of the blatant negative recruiting being used in pursuit of Fred Smith. I guess the two Texas boys think they know something about MSU that Fred doesn't. But they are "Michigan Men" though. Then again, would Mike Hart respect them for these comments?

You =

Sounds a lot like SOUR GRAPES to me.

Mallett and McGuffie are just letting Smith know what's up. If Smith goes to MSU the FACT is that he's not going to play with a QB in Ryan's universe. Ryan Mallett has the ability and potential to be the #1 overall pick in an NFL draft. His arm is that strong and that accurate and he's got it all upstairs where it counts- between the ears.

Show me the last time Michigan State went into Texas in back-to-back years and grabbed the top player in the state one year (Mallett) and then the next grabbed the most dynamic playmaker (McGuffie) in the state the following year.

Fred wants to play with other blue-chip recruits. That came right from the horses mouth. Michigan is stock-piling other blue-chip recruits on offense in the '07/'08 classes- guys that Fred will have to play with. MSU on the other hand? Ehhh...not so much.

[SNIPE26]

Originally Posted by staterules

You must be very proud of your recruits Ryan Mallet and Sam McGuffie for their trashing of MSU to Fred in an effort to get Fred to change his mind away from MSU. Gee, I wonder if those "2nd tier program" and "loser" quotes by those "Michigan Men" will ever appear on the wall of the Spartan's locker room? Speaking of "Michigan Men", did I read Mike ("I talk too much") Hart ripping on Jim Harbough as not being worthy of his respect because Jim dared to speak the truth about UM's keep 'em eligible approach to educating their gridders? Lots of brilliant statements flooding the papers and internet sites by these guys. Too bad there's no criticism of the blatant negative recruiting being used in pursuit of Fred Smith. I guess the two Texas boys think they know something about MSU that Fred doesn't. But they are "Michigan Men" though. Then again, would Mike Hart respect them for these comments?

Well, it's not like Mallett and McGuffie are lying. MSU IS a 2nd tier program. Who cares if their words make their way onto the Sparty locker room? Not like they're going to do anything about it anyway. Mike Hart talks too much? Why? Because he thinks the outcome of the OSU game would be different if they played again? Oh no he's not allowed to have an opinion! That's illegal. Pretty sure UM's academic standards are a tad higher than MSU's, but that's just me. Bottom line is quit your crying and try winning a couple games. Congrats on being kept out of the cellar last year by Illinois, that's impressive. You're not good, you're lucky McGuffie and Mallett think you're a second tier program, not any worse.

[Big Blue #2]

Originally Posted by SNIPE26

Well, it's not like Mallett and McGuffie are lying. MSU IS a 2nd tier program. Who cares if their words make their way onto the Sparty locker room? Not like they're going to do anything about it anyway. Mike Hart talks too much? Why? Because he thinks the outcome of the OSU game would be different if they played again? Oh no he's not allowed to have an opinion! That's illegal. Pretty sure UM's academic standards are a tad higher than MSU's, but that's just me. Bottom line is quit your crying and try winning a couple games. Congrats on being kept out of the cellar last year by Illinois, that's impressive. You're not good, you're lucky McGuffie and Mallett think you're a second tier program, not any worse.

Not to be rude (MSU fans turn away) MSU is not a 2nd tier program, Wisc/Iowa are 2nd tier programs. msu is like 4th tier or lower. only six 8+ win seasons since the black players started being accepted into the Southern schools 1967 ish.

[staterules]

Originally Posted by Big Blue #2

Not to be rude (MSU fans turn away) MSU is not a 2nd tier program, Wisc/Iowa are 2nd tier programs. msu is like 4th tier or lower. only six 8+ win seasons since the black players started being accepted into the Southern schools 1967 ish.

Wow! Imagine if MSU bball players and propsects trash talked your weasel bball program. The Detroit media would be all over it. Winning is one thing. Winning with integrity is another. Flloyd and the boys can't seem to master both.

There is no question that MSU fball teams have lost. Why else would we have tossed cowboy out and brought in Dano?

But a "Program" is far more than just a W-L record. Look at the fan suport at MSU, look at the facilities, and the millions being pumped in to upgrades.

If -- considering these factors -- MSU is a 4th tier program then what the heck is your bball program? Why are you in the Big Ten?

The lack of support from your administration, your pathetic facilities, and your incredibly apatheic fans (who fail to show up even when there's ticket giveaways) is a discredit to the League. Oh and your team stinks. It would be better to simply scrap that "program".

Back to football for a moment: the comments of Ryan Mallet and Sam McGuffie were stupid and they will find their way to a useful purpose in EL.

[Landshark67]

It's just sad that Mich fans reside on an MSU board. As a Mich and MSU alumni, I'm embarrassed by the Mich people who post here. Very insecure when it comes to MSU. Say one nice thing about MSU and they freak out and start touting stats/etc.. Sadly, most will never see the AA campus let alone attend the school. MSU is a great school ...as is Mich. Compared to most states, we have one of the best education systems in the country.

Trust me, MD will do well at MSU and will begin to bring in more recruits over time. Saban did the same thing with marginal records. Carr will soon be gone and the Mich "True Blue" fans will have someone else to complain about.

I don't blame McGuffie or Mallet for helping recruit players. Maybe Smith will be able to relate well to the "Rap Gangster" image of McGuffie.

..here's some Mich bait.....Mallett will be less successful than John Navarre over his career and Chad Henne will finish his bowl career record at 0-4. tick, tick, tick...............

[OSwho?]

Originally Posted by Landshark67

..here's some Mich bait.....Mallett will be less successful than John Navarre over his career

Find that funny that you'd say that. Real funny.

You do realize that before Michigan came calling and offered to let John Navarre play QB he was committed to Northwestern to play Defensive End, right? Navarre was a lightly regarded prospect that completed 58% of his passes and threw for only 950 yards and 7 touchdown passes (and 5 interceptions) as a senior in high school for Cudahy High playing on the prep fields of Cudahy, Wisconsin. Real tough competition he went up against there, right! Navarre barely completed over 52% of his passes for his career in high school. He was only offered because Michigan was desperate for QB depth. John turned out to be a decent player, but he was terribly inaccurate at times, and only completed 55.9% of his passes for his career and never completed 60% of his passes in any season. His best completion percentage came when he was as a senior, when he completed 59.2% of his passes.

Mallett on the other hand played in Texas 4A with a few 5A teams on his schedule every year (including a thrilling showdown against Matt Stafford's Highland Park team) mixed in with match-ups from a few of the top high school football programs around the nation, including games against high school teams from Louisiana, Arkansas, and Ohio. Mallett played against some of the best competition in high school and put up excellent numbers, and he improved year to year. As a junior at Texas High Mallett completed 61% of his passes while throwing for 2,200+ yards and 21 touchdown passes with 6 interceptions. Mallett improved across the board as a senior, completing 66% of his passes and throwing for 3,300+ yards and 31 touchdowns with 5 interceptions. Mallett had offers from everybody, was an Elite 11 QB selection, and ranked by all three of the major recruiting services (Scout, Rivals, Lemming) as a Top 5 player in the nation regardless of position.

If Scott Loeffler could take a kid that nobody wanted to play QB and turn him into a decent QB, just imagine what he'll be able to do with Ryan Mallett. Mallett also doesn't have the biggest problem Navarre had when he came to Michigan, TERRIBLE mechanics. Despite being 6'6" Navarre had more balls batted down than a 5'11" Drew Tate at Iowa did. I saw Mallett sling the ball at Michigan's "spring game", and his mechanics are flawless. Mallett has a very high release point and a lightning quick release. He flicks his wrist and the ball flies out of his hand with incredible velocity. He doesn't over-stride, drop his elbow, carry the ball at his shoulder, wind-up, have an incredibly low release point for such a tall QB, or short-arm a long ball all like Navarre used to. Mallett has better mechanics as a true freshman than Navarre did as a 5th year senior, and that is what makes him a more accurate thrower as a freshman than Navarre was as a senior.

[cbt]

I would like to wish MSU good luck this year. And say congrats on landing Smith. And agree that Coach Dantonio who I know fairly well has a good hire. But would not expect miracles any time soon. MSU does not at this time have talent to play Coach Dantonio's 4-3 zone blitz scheme. Coach Smith's bandit defense is far different from what Coach Dantoio runs and personal to make it work is different as night and day.